Does this prove Al Gore is an absolute idiot? He stated at the DNC convention that in the first term of the next president the ice cap in the north will disappear during the summer. Is he an idiot or just nieve?

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Jay: High IQ does not translate into intelligence and I believe Forrest Gump said it best: %26quot;stupid is as stupid does%26#039; and suggesting the polar ice cap will melt in the next 4 years is proposterous.

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whsgreen: if it does not happen will you say you are sorry and Gore is in fact an idiot? I doubt it.

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whsgreen: if it does not happen will you say you are sorry and Gore is in fact an idiot? I doubt it.

And the long-term trend is quite obvious:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/image...

At this point it%26#039;s clearly not an issue of if but when the northern ice cap will completely melt.

%26quot;leading scientists [are] warning that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer by 2013.%26quot;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...

So you just called Gore an absolute idiot for being correct. That doesn%26#039;t reflect well on you. And by the way, it%26#039;s spelled %26quot;naive%26quot;. 15% 9 Votes
it shows a couple of years in the early 40s that are warm %26quot;not the 30s%26quot; and they are nowhere near as warm as most of the years after the late 80s to now. It would be interesting to see a real link with info rather that the usually NAH NAH NAH NASA are liars reply that many deniers here seem to thing is some sort of evidence. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test... 3% 2 Votes 5% 3 Votes which is not a genius, but certainly not an idiot. His prediction of a melted polar ice cap may very well come true. If you want to call him a liar, an alarmist, or a fanatic, I will support all of those statements. His slide show supports all of those statements. He makes claims that are ridiculous, many unsupported by the IPCC. But he is not an idiot. 5% 3 Votes

What gets me on so many of the comments made so far is the huge amount of very bad information so many people seem to have on this subject. First it was hotter in the 1930s than it is now and there is no current sign it is going to get even close to previous optimums during the current interglacial. Because solar cycles can vary from 11 years to 50 years we can have huge normal climate shifts when several solar and earth cycles come together inconveniently. Point being the little ice age where there were 4 solar minimums, two of them extreme over a period of 500 years that led to a much colder than average climate through that period.

Then we have the Skandic/MWP warm cycle where for over 600 years it was a much warmer climate average noticeably higher than the two short peaks we have experienced during the current warming cycle. These two peaks lasted only about 10 years instead of the normal 50 or more! So all climates need to be evaluated not just against recent 30-year spans, but also against previous spans. For instance for the last two years here in Los Angeles they have had to go back to the 1920s to find equivalent low temperature records. In the 90s they had to go back to the 30s to find equivalent highs.

So the 30 year cycle is not a good comparison point for climate average and because of earthquakes and other geological events natural climate conditions can change radically. An example is the enhanced southwest monsoon in the spring and summer months has radically changed the general climate of southern California over the last 60 years from dry near desert to muggy sub tropical because of geologic changes in a ocean ridge extending from Baja California almost to Panama off the west coast. This ridge as it grows from earthquake activity and coral reef growth is altering some minor ocean currents altering the climate of large parts of North America!


The enhanced southwest monsoon in the spring and summer months has radically changed the general climate of southern California over the last 60 years from dry near desert to muggy sub tropical inland of the coastal mountains because of geologic changes in a ocean ridge extending from Baja California almost to Panama off the west coast. This ridge as it grows from earthquake activity and coral reef growth is altering some minor ocean currents altering the climate of large parts of North America! At the same time the coastal region only gets the northern storms if the jet stream dips down in the winter months. We no longer get the pineapple express as we used to 20 years ago because of these minor current alterations. So the inland southwest is going semi tropical and the coast only gets the humidity during the summer months while the rain goes to the desert.





Last Glacial Maximum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacia...

Holocene Climate Optimum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_cl...


Roman links

http://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2007/0...

15th temp spike

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news...

MWP data references

http://newsisaconversation.blogspot.com/...


Warm periods historical references

http://www.kolumbus.fi/tilmari/some200.h...

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba516/

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/counterpo...

Polar bears

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorou...

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Gore%26#039;s statement is true; many scientists HAVE made such predictions.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-0...

Next time, read for content. Or even better: next time, read. 5% 3 Votes
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He is not an idiot, he is just an unscrupulous person with power and with an agenda exclusively designed to promote fear and make huge profit from it. Common sense 5% 3 Votes

Complete idiot. Thousands of homes could be heated with the natural gas that his Kentucky mansion consumes.

George Bush%26#039;s house is run by geothermal power. 2% 1 Vote

Since the man has accomplished very little on his own merits,politics were won on his father%26#039;s name, he must feed his ego. Who else builds an energy sucking house and tells the rest of us to conserve.