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How long will AGW Alarmism persist? What will it take to dispel the AGW theory?
How many inconsistencies will have to take place before the public will no longer tolerate waffling?
I%26#039;ve already heard some scientists presenting back-up plans to keep the theory alive such as the earth might cool for a number of years as natural factors will temporarily overwhelm AGW. If this does become the official stance of %26quot;respected scientific organizations%26quot; will the public accept this?
Obviously, there is much at stake. How firmly will scientists hold to their consensus view. It appears numbers have already been %26quot;worked%26quot; to support the consensus view. (Mann%26#039;s graph) (Hansen%26#039;s, the global warming alarmist in chief%26#039;s recent temperature blunder.
What will be the result of a large number of people scrambling to protect their reputations.
Will anyone be held accountable?
Sorry for so many questions. I%26#039;ll give you a little prediction of my own. Alarmists will say I am starting with a false premise. I say all of their beloved computer models do the same.

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6 days ago

It doesn%26#039;t matter what source I site, you will undoubtly deem it unrespectable or influenced by big oil. To you truth is relative to your agenda. I will readily admitt I may be wrong about my assessment of AGW. Important distinction. You will not. Prove me wrong. Let me hear one believer say it. %26quot;Respectable scientists and myself may be wrong about our interpretation of the data that appears to support the AGW theory.%26quot;

6 days ago

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1885

6 days ago

The false premise is that CO2 drives climate change. There are an unknown amount of likely very important variables that do not go into the climate models. It appears from historical records shoe that CO2 is an effect of temperature change, not necessarily the cause. Convince me that CO2 has caused any of the numerous past climate changes and I will be more open to the possiblility, that this is the case at the present.

6 days ago

Ken, It seems to me you are saying AGW is in essense the theory of everything. It cannot be proven wrong, because it accounts for all variables. Brilliant!

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  • The %26quot;alarmism%26quot; will persist until someone does something about it.

    To be sure, there is always a slight possibility that we may be wrong. But that is no excuse not to act. There is a slight possibility that we are wrong about just about anything. For example, there is a slight possibility that we are wrong about the theory that exercise is good for you. That doesn%26#039;t mean we don%26#039;t do it.

    If you think the computer models are starting with a false premise, what exactly is that false premise, and how do you know it%26#039;s false?
    http://journals.royalsociety.org/content...
    http://www.dvgu.ru/meteo/library/3076000...
    http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/mpa/publi...
    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/ab... http://www.pnas.org/content/98/10/5433.f...
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v41...
    http://magmo.typepad.com/VitousekHumanDo...
    http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/clim...
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/rese...
    http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/positi...
    http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos1...
    http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_...
    http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/060720...
    http://www.ipcc.ch/ Nelson asks: %26quot;Therefore, it is theoretically possible for increases in CO2 to cause increases in surface temperature. The question is, is the amount of warming enough to be significant?%26quot;

    And the answer is: %26quot;CO2 is more evenly distributed than water, so if CO2 caused warming it would have a proportionately greater effect in areas where there is little water vapor (such as deserts and in very cold regions), while in areas with a lot of water, the effect of CO2 may be insignificant compared to the effect of water vapor. This is one of many factors that mitigate against the idea of a %26quot;climate catastrophe.%26quot;

    %26quot;The net effect of all these processes is that doubling carbon dioxide would not double the amount of global warming. In fact, the effect of carbon dioxide is roughly logarithmic. Each time carbon dioxide (or some other greenhouse gas) is doubled, the increase in temperature is the same as the previous increase. The reason for this is that, eventually, all the longwave radiation that can be absorbed has already been absorbed. It would be analogous to closing more and more shades over the windows of your house on a sunny day -- it soon reaches the point where doubling the number of shades can%26#039;t make it any darker.%26quot;

    %26quot;The analogy with a greenhouse would be that the glass in the roof becomes slightly thicker. The effect of warming also depends on the conditions inside the greenhouse. If the greenhouse were full of ice at exactly -0.01 degrees Celsius, making the glass slightly thicker just might be enough to melt all the ice and flood the greenhouse. But if the greenhouse had some regions that were hot and some that were very cold (as the planet Earth does), it would have a very small overall effect.%26quot;

    %26quot;As an aside, the term %26quot;greenhouse effect%26quot; is actually a misnomer. In greenhouses, most of the warming that is observed is not caused by carbon dioxide, or by absorption of infrared radiation by the glass as many people think, but by reduction in convection.%26quot; ...in fact, CO2 levels have only increased by 23.7% since 1900.%26quot;


    %26quot;Nelson%26#039;s conclusion is very important: %26quot;large temperature increases predicted by many computer models are unphysical and inconsistent with results obtained by basic measurements. Skepticism is warranted when considering computer-generated projections of global warming that cannot even predict existing observations.%26quot; http://brneurosci.org/co2.html
  • 1) As long as the sponsors are willing to pay the bill for promoting it and as they are some of the richest people on the planet they can waste pocket money for a long time, at least until temps drop to the late 40s level.

    2) The Co2 drives global warming thing has less value than nitrogen in a cars exhaust is a prime factor in smog. At least nitrogen gives smog its brown color all Co2 does is make plants grow better as does nitrogen. What have these greens got against plant food and fertilizer for plants that mage them grow better.


    Really it is the biggest of the big oil conglomerates that is funding the whole AGW scam and they have from the begining.
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