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Isn%26#039;t global warming part of a natural process? Sure we are affecting the earth with our contamination habits but the co2 created by human resources doesn%26#039;t compare with the co2 emited by natural resources, I´ve even heard of a 90% is emited by natural resources. If this is true, then we didn´t create global, it was going to happen anyway.

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Wildifre Child: I have seen The Inconvinient Truth and after that I shared the same point of view as you but then I saw a BBC response to the Inconvinient Truth which is very interesting. You should see it, I don´t recall the name. I kind of share both sides now.

co2 makes up around 0.054% of the greenhouse layer and is only a mild greenhouse gas. Of the co2 produced by the earth ive seen figures as low as 0.02% for the man made contribution and figure as high as 3%.

Using the higher figures, man made co2 makes up for 0.00162% of the greenhouse layer. You can see how some people find the IPCC statement that %26quot;most of the warming over the centuary can be attributed to man made co2%26quot; is hard to swallow. It may have a very small impact, but it would easilly masked by all the other much stronger greenhouse gasses and climate systems.

95% of the greenhouse layer is water vapour which comes from the sea, the sea is warmed by the sun which releases more water vapour and with it more co2

The IPCC work this backwards by reversing the natural cycle and argue that the extra man made co2 causes warming a small warming effect that heats the sea and in turn releases more water vapour causing amplified warming or %26quot;feedback%26quot;, this is an un proven assumption used to make their man made co2 warming theory work in the models, because without the models onlypredict very slight warming. Their models ignore cloud cover and solar activity which are both strong drivers of the climate system, they justify this because they do not fully understand the process so its ok to leave them out and say the model projections are %26quot;highly likely%26quot;

Theories and model projections are simply that, theories and projections and cannot currently be proven (not until 2050 at least), they are not fact. We only need to look at historic data to see it was warming before co2 production really took of and the rate has continued pretty much that same with the extra co2. We know it has been warmer in the past and the sea didnt swallow the earth and man and the polar bears survived without any problems. That whats important.

The sea controls co2 levels, and the sea is warmed by the suns energy, the sea has a delayed response to warm periods so the rising co2 we are seing now could be driven by a previous warm period for all we know.

The troposphere has not warmed faster than the earths surface so the signature of global warming isnt there, and the model projections are already off, so isnt it time the IPCC considered some of the other theories and reviwed the current theory instead of outright insisting they are 100% right? Well they wont, because their job is specfically to find a link between man made co2 and climate change, if they cant, than they are no longer required and they would lose their funding and glory. Dont 100% trust any group that was set up by politicians to make nuclear more attractive and that has to justify its existance in order to secure its funding.

sure it will get warmer, it will get colder as well, we will try and understand it as we are human and thats what we do, but fact is its predominantly a natural effect which we have little impact on.
  • Global warming is really the wrong phrase, I prefer climate change or climate chaos! It is natural for our climate to change in cycles, but mans practises fueled by greed certainly aggravates and makes the problem worse. However, while we are all aware that our climate is changing, very little is being done to safegard not only our citizens but the planet as a whole, too much time is being spent on bickering like kids in a playground over the cause... loads of noise and no action! Every little action helps, but many politicians environmentalists and scientists seem to feel that arguing over the cause of something that we are all aware is happening is the way to solve it!
  • True, but as the smart creatures man kind should do somethings to help. Animals passing gas creates a tremendous amount. I%26#039;ve read articles about when a large volcanic eruption occurs that the pollution is equivalent to many years of human pollution.

    Humans certainly didn%26#039;t create the last ice age and it is supposed to part of the global cycle. I guess if we make it to another ice age we will be the cause of it too.
  • I%26#039;m afraid you%26#039;ve heard wrong. there are so many climate change critics who seem to scared to face the reality. Climatologists have been able to measure temperatures and co2 levels throughout the last few million years, by drilling through arctic ice and measuring the levels which where trapped in the air bubbles at different levels through the ice. this is just one of the many many studies done. it is true that there is a cyclical pattern of warm periods and ice ages. but the link between co2 emmissions and temperaturere is a stark one which has ridramaticallyicly since the industrial revolution. there are many sceptic, but i recommend you watch An Inconvenient Truth to answer in more detail. my family are all involved in climate change and it%26#039;s effect on environment and biodiversity, there are too many coincidences and the levels escalating super fast. scary stuff!
  • All the studies have shown CO2 rising directly with the expansion of humans dramatically linked to the timing of the industrial revolution... the CO2 rising since the industrial revolution has been a greater CO2 rise and increase than we have ever seen in something like 100,000 years of atmospheric records taken from ice cores.

    The cycle of warming and cooling is natural... we are just magnifying the effects of the warming with our increasing impact on our world.

    Also Natural does not mean humans will like it... forest fires... bacteria... tornadoes ... are all natural... and Humans dislike them.
  • Completely natural. If you look at the following graph, you will see how in the last 450,000 years, the earth has consistently warmed then cooled 5 times just like now. The only difference was the previous 4 times was warmer than today%26#039;s.

    As for Wildfire, Gore has been shown in a court of law to have lied in the movie. And those were the easy challenges. he actually misstated or lied about 35 times. Scientist agree that CO2 follows temp, not the other way around.
  • You have to remember that the carbon we%26#039;ve been digging up and burning off, has been buried undisturbed (ie has been outside of the long term carbon cycle) for up to 300 million years (in the case of coal). So there%26#039;s no way that releasing this extra carbon would NOT affect the atmospheric retention of heat.
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